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What do You think about Shikon. our Tournament Moderator?
He is doing such a great job!
49% (17 votes)
He is terrible, I don't understand what is happening!
26% (9 votes)
He is not bad not good, just meh.
26% (9 votes)
Total votes: 35

After latest accidents and hate on him I wanted to make it clear what people think.

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I bet Averazon will say "This is irrelevant 

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I'm thankful he is making a genuine effort to keep the community active. Even though I rage at him, I dont see anybody doing close to as good of a job than he does, so he has my respect.

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It really is an irrelevant topic. I guess you're referring to the summer battles? He was playing the summer battle himself, so actions had to come from elsewhere. No one can work on their own, especially not in a heated community like this. 

He truly has good intentions and is doing the best he can - but is in need of help. 

Also bad options, very limited and clearly proves what your thoughts are on this. 

If you have a problem with a moderator, you should talk with them privately. 

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Short answer: The third option: 'He is not bad, not good, just meh.'

Long answer: Jaan has already made a few mistakes as a tournament moderator: he recreated Meechy Darkho's version of 'The Last Battle' and pretty much changed nothing at all despite the many problems 'The Last Battle' caused, such as rank-boosting players or complications with 'inactive' players. 

A bit of context here: Jaan decided to implement a rule to the summer battle which can be summarised as, 'if you are inactive, you won't qualify for the summer battle'. 

Jaan, however, failed to specifically define what 'inactive' in this context meant: If I played maybe one to three FFA games before the deadline, would you classify that as inactive? And why does inactivity matter at all? If I played one game a day against overrated players until the deadline, how on earth does that make me more deserving of the placement than somebody who maybe could have been on holiday? Or somebody who couldn't play as much? 

For the record, I think Pancake is completely in the right to complain about not receiving his placement for the FFA portion of the event. The rule, 'if you are inactive, you won't qualify' is frankly very stupid. There are many workarounds, and the rule doesn't produce a list of most deserving players to qualify.

I've already criticised the 'The Last Battle' system in the past, and since 'The Summer Battle' is just a recreation, those criticisms also apply. Arguably, rank is only a small indicator of somebody's potential not a genuine display of a person's skill. The underlying fact that pretty much nobody really tried to rank up just shows how much of a failure the competition actually was.

As a tournament moderator, you have to be willing to handle criticism. Therefore, you should respond to criticism when you receive it. 

When players criticised how 'Green Corner FFA' trumped the rest of the other options, Jaan stayed quiet. Of course, Averazon is also partially to blame for this since he deleted/censored criticism (because he regarded it as off-topic content, which it isn't: I shouldn't have to make a complete separate topic to criticise another topic, that's redundant). Therefore, Jaan may have opted not to reply because Averazon regarded it as off-topic content, again which it isn't. This is more of a combined mistake on both Averazon and Jaan's part.

Aside from the reasons mentioned above, Jaan is definitely one of the more ambitious tournament moderators we've had. He seems very eager to do an amazing job; the fact that he really tried to host two tournaments a month instead of just one proves he's willing to fulfill the wishes of players. I'm not sure this was a good idea to be fair: the more champions there are, the less prestigious the title is. But heck, it's what the players asked for and he got it done. 

When it comes to evaluating Jaan as a tournament moderator during tournaments, I'm probably the last person to give you an insightful response, since I stopped caring about competing in tournaments the moment I was informed that I didn't need premium to create practice rooms. However, I've been informed that he has done some 'questionable' stuff with the handling of tournaments. I'm sure someone else can elaborate on this point.

 

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One sentence: respect him as moderator or say goodbye to the tournaments. And nice comments BAXUID, Run. and Nitrogen Dioxide I agree.

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I know one thing that i get confused a lot and he can do schedules etc for me its enough for mod in such a dead game tbh there is a lot of anarchy anyway :/ But I basically hate this game and its moderation+developers since 2014 but i am still addicted tho x)
 

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Making a poll like this is wrong. Public humilation is wrong.

Jaan has more positive sides than negative sides, but people always find something to complain over... Be happy you have a eager moderator in these dead days, and let him learn from his mistakes instead of trying to destroy him with them.

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I'll make a post since I was involved in the other thread. I agree with Baxuid's points. Obviously it's annoying for me to be disallowed from playing due to an ambigious rule and then ignored. However Baxuid explained it well and I've said stuff regarding that topic before so I won't bang on about it.

I think Jaan is doing a good job however. Nobody has been successful in hosting tournaments for long in the past so clearly it's a hard job. People will complain whatever decision he makes, whether right or wrong. Without Jaan tournaments would probably die until someone else tries to start them up and that tournament mod would probably leave soon after due to the criticism.

One suggestion I would make though is not to make so many events in one go. Make 1 tournament a month and some special events a couple of times per year and many people will join each tournament. Make 2 tournaments per month with full camp, world cup, summer battles, Olympics and more in such a short space of time and you will have far fewer participants in each event.

I would rather reach the final in a FFA event with 60 players than win a tournament with 20 players that everyone forgets because the next tournament is a week or 2 later.

I think everyone should remember that Jaan is putting a lot of time in to this game and making it enjoyable, if you disagree with everything he has done, maybe make suggestions or help him if you can? These are my suggestions...

 

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i am a player whats relevant in it, saying irreleavant is irrelevant. I just want to show that u hate say he should leave and then what, he gets positive feedback.

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Jaan is best moderator ever haters gonna hate.

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Ivy Cel wrote:

Making a poll like this is wrong. Public humilation is wrong.

Jaan has more positive sides than negative sides, but people always find something to complain over... Be happy you have a eager moderator in these dead days, and let him learn from his mistakes instead of trying to destroy him with them.

Agree.

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I agree with Bax, but have a few other things I'd like to say. First of all, I have had my fair share of blunt comments, strong critiques, and have accosted Jaan about quite a lot over the years. While I still disagree with some of his judgments, I do not think he is doing a poor job. Jaan is obviously very passionate about this game, and this passion has both permeated through the community in a positive manner and a negative.

The fact that he had polls for the upcoming tournament illustrates his selflessness when making decisions, despite the fact that his favorite item( green corner) was voted to be the next tournament. I understand this seems like quite a coincidence, but there was actually a google sheet where all of the sign-up information was held, and Jaan and Sam had only counted up the total votes and disregarded those who signed up with multiple accounts. This proves the ridiculous allegations against him to be false and gives us insight that he was, in fact, seeking to provide a tournament that the players could choose. Some players realized this and arrived at the same conclusion I did, which was that despite the negatives from holding a poll, and some of the judgments he makes on tournament days, Jaan proves himself to be a passionate and fair moderator.

At the end of the day, his passion to make the game a more enjoyable place for everyone is a good thing, and if we want our criticism to be heard, we should give it to him in a respectful manner, as he would to us. 

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After latest accidents and hate on him I wanted to make it clear what people think.

I miss the option: Overall good job, he puts tons of effort into this game, he only needs a little bit more experience as moderator

I've read that he needs more experience in making decisions. But it ain't practise/experience that you need for, the Community of CF2 is just so seperated, what makes it impossible to fulfill all the wishes of the players.

There are speeders for example, who'd like to get a speed tourny every month.. same goes for thinners and the small amount of people who play other modes in this game (special, corner, r speed, etc.)

Best example is the final of the Summer Battle. For me it was too much of the good, so I decided to not play it. Quiet same was with Lone Soldier, who was also nominated for this Final. He didn't like the items (I agree that the Summer Battle was pretty much made for thinners). And Nitrogen Dioxide had no time, so 3 out of 8 players, which is a minor, couldn't or didn't want to play. Did he cancel it? No, because then the 5 others would have been mad/disappointed. 

This is just a simple example, but I'm pretty sure you understand what I mean. As a moderator it is really hard to find a healthy balance in between. But Jaan is very close and I think he can become one of the best mods in this game (even if it's offline soon).

 

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how is red speed special red itemms for thin players btw xd I like that Jaan choose a good items(could add some options) for ffa, gspeed is not good for ffa red speed is excelent! even big turn is better for it than gspeed even freaking idk how to call it u know basically  crossing the walls items, gspeed os basically teaming on ffa, its best item alongside with thin for team mode but in ffa its terribly bad.

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Tell why me wrote:

 

 

I've read that he needs more experience in making decisions. But it ain't practise/experience that you need for, the Community of CF2 is just so seperated, what makes it impossible to fulfill all the wishes of the players.

 

 

Its not really about this imo but you got a point here, the problem is that the ppl from here are pretty unrealistic , they gotta face that we are talking about a dead game , we barely had an active mod before Jaan joined the staff's tim , and i for sure understand this situation, who would like to waste his time for a dead game with a childish comunnity...  but well,  this guy wants to....and instead of making this ridiculous poll, you should make a post or pm him telling what your ideas are to improve this situation,

 

On the other side, the competitive scene has been dead for a while already , i dont really see the point on still making tournies , in ffa , its all about having friends and not getting greeded , in teams, you just gotta be friends of real to pull of win and back then it was the same, you just had to be friends of a couple of top players and get to play with them , imo 1v1 none is the only skilled format , but ofc you wont make a 1v1 none tournament every month .

 

Whatever ,what ppl from this game should learn is that they are complaining on a guy that is wasting his time for this lame community and if you really wanted to do the things better and improve the 'competitive' aspect , just keep in mind that you got a lot of chances of becoming a mod in the past and even now, we lack of mods so just apply for it if you are really willing to help the community , otherwise just give him advise on what he could improve instead of pointless polls .

 

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Criticism =/= hate. Nobody is asking for Jaan to be dismissed as tournament moderator.

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imo 1v1 none is the only skilled format

'Imo, the only gamemode I'm semi-decent at is the only skilled format in this game. Even though Real almost always manages to win a variety of tournaments, those formats clearly require no skill at all! Real got lucky every single time!'

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He has nice wings. I wanted to buy it from him he said no.. im mad now..

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