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Unfair round in tournament + mod breaking own rule

Dear CF staff + community,

I am making this topic about an unfair round in the 2v2 none tournament (11-06-2017) and the moderator ‘Alicia breaking the rules.

 

Which round:               Quarter 

Matchlinks:                  Quarter C                (10-3 - Hyp)

                                      Quarter C rematch    (10-7 - duo)

Teams + players:       

 Hypnotize: Cocaine’ & Mashisha vs duo: Pjush & Slovakpro

 

What happened?

After winning our previous round (C6) we were waiting for our next opponents Pjush and Slovakpro. When they joined they wanted to play in team hot badly, but since we are the ones which  created the room we didn’t agree. They said they created room 15 minutes ago but we didn’t join. Let’s get this straight: We had to play against duo at 20:30 and against cat at 20:15 when duo created room, how do they expect us to join their room while we are playing? Anyway, mod ‘Alicia joined and said we had to play in co0l without even a solid argument. Don’t even remember if she gave us a reason to play in co0l.

The game started and guess what? The game bugged and both teams weren’t able to play the first round. Team duo rejoined, but we didn’t. We also got the first point, they demanded for fair. Why would we have to fair for them? First of all we had to play in co0l because the mod ‘Alicia said so. Who knows we might have faired if we played in hot. We didn’t fair for the next rounds and won 10-3.

This time Hard Drop & Pjush started to whine about a rematch. Hard Drop you aren’t even playing, why mind other people’s stuff? Here comes the part where ‘Alicia breaks the rules. She said we have to play a rematch, otherwise duo will advance to the next round. ‘Alicia are you kidding us? Did you even read the rules yourself before creating the sign up topic? ‘The game is played as it is -- No compensation for bugs or lag. No rematches.’ No choice we had to play the rematch which we lost after. This time Pjushs excuse was ‘I was mad that’s why I couldn’t focus previous game’. She also said something like ‘If they were going to advance to the next round, why didn’t they win again?’. So Pjush you said you were mad and couldn’t focus, now you expect us to be calm for playing a rematch which was unnecessary?

 

What do we want?

Let’s get to the main goal of making this topic. We are demanding a rematch for quarter C. If we win, it means the following matchs after quarter C will also be redone. If we lose nothing will change, congratulations on winning the tournament then team duo (in a fair way).

 

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- I could also make a hate-post about ‘Alicia, like the drama queens Hard Drop and Pjush do when things go in an unfair way. I also remember ‘Alicia saying ‘I hope they make many hate comments’, grow up mod.
- Pjush funny right, first day of you being on CF after a while and already so much drama? (like scherbatsky said)
- I texted mods, devs and even Geert; no reply. 
- ‘Alicia told us to stop crying and accept it, but when Pjush cried u stood by her side and gave them a chance for a rematch?
- ‘Alicia you  just became  a tournament moderator recently, who gave you the power of breaking rules? I won’t even mention your in-game attitude, which is not mod-like.
- Last point Run. muted a few players, hhh ‘Alicia said ‘Funny how players fake to be muted so they can take screens’.

With lots of disappointment,

Mashisha, Cocaine’

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I got depressed after reading this... Really 'Alicia??

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First of all, this is the most pathetic topic i've ever read in my entire life. Slovakpro and i created a room first, which leads to the fact that you and your partner should come to us after your game, but you didn't. This means that we had the ''HOST'' first, which leads to the fact that my team could decide what side we wanted to be in - hot or c00l. Alicia agreed with me, and told you guys to go down - fair enough.

When the game started, there was a bug caused by the server, which lead to you guys getting a headstart. Alicia told you guys to die one round to make fair several times, but you refused to listen to a mod call. This was basically your mistake. If you would have died, given it a 1 - 1, the would still win 10 - 3, good job. But i complained through the entire game aswell as slovakpro getting annoyed. It ruined the game for us, and at the end we demanded a rematch. Here again, we have two moderators agreeing to make a rematch, so we did.

To point it out, bugs/lags etc. doesn't matter in the beginning of a tournament as it would ruin for the schedule, but later on, as we are in quarters, semi and final, it can occur. It has always been like that, though maybe you as a new player won't understand that, which is fine though, but now you know.

There is also no point in hating on the mods for making a fair decision. And why do you care if shes a new moderator? She has powers, not you. Now get over your loss and stop whining.

With lots of love, 

Pjush xoxo

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yayyyyyyy, i'm part of the topic

Anna is so fame <3

love you all

btw cute topic but next time use yourself your own accs and don't let higher ranked people play on your accs broooos

gg pjush *_*

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I thought you guys couldn't play the whole game because of laggs but all this cry for 1 round lagg? And they get a rematch :'D? Then I would like to have a rematch as well when me and Crozzi played against u and slovak and slovak refused to refresh after we asked him many times. This is just sad. As the rule says The game is played as it is -- No compensation for bugs or lag. No rematches.’ 

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Exactly --^

This is so sad...

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To point it out, bugs/lags etc. doesn't matter in the beginning of a tournament as it would ruin for the schedule, but later on, as we are in quarters, semi and final, it can occur. It has always been like that, though maybe you as a new player won't understand that, which is fine though, but now you know.

 

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I wasn't there so I can just relate to the points that were written here, but if it's right what actually both of you wrote this is a clear rule break of the mods.

The rule is very clear here, there is no way to understand it in any other way: The game is played as it is -- No compensation for bugs or lag. No rematches. It is even the very first rule and the mods know it for sure. I don't know why they breaked the rules, maybe because of personal preferences.

Sadly I don't think there is any way to rematch this one again (and also the games after), that won't work. It also doesn't matter what was before the game with the room and so on, there is a clear rule and I don't remember there was any rematch at any time in tournament history. Everyone knows the rules and everyone accepted it when they joined in to the tournament, so if you get mad because of losing one round by a bug then it's your own problem, you know the rules. So there should be someone to tell the mod's that there behavior was wrong, but who should do this? I don't think that Geert will care about this, and if it's right what you wrote Run. also doesn't mind about that topic. So in the end I fear that nothing will happen at all.

This is my neutral opinion, I'm not related to any of these players. I just feel that this was really unfair.

 

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Rematches have been played many times for similar reasons so there is no reason to complain. The rule for no compensation of lags and bugs is meant for games which moderators can't watch. There has always been exceptions for games which moderators see and rematches have been made many times. That's why there is the rule "The organisation is always right". Without a rematch it would have been unfair for the other team. There was no option to make everyone happy and making a rematch wasn't worse option than not making it.

These normal tournaments are played every month, it's not a big deal to lose some of them. It wasn't even a final so it would have been a long way to win anyway. You still lost the rematch; you didn't lose the tournament without losing a game.

Also it's stupid when players don't make fair rounds in tournaments just because it's a tournament. Complaining about a rematch on forums is even worse.

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theRealMadridcf wrote:

Rematches have been played many times for similar reasons so there is no reason to complain. The rule for no compensation of lags and bugs is meant for games which moderators can't watch. There has always been exceptions for games which moderators see and rematches have been made many times. That's why there is the rule "The organisation is always right". Without a rematch it would have been unfair for the other team. There was no option to make everyone happy and making a rematch wasn't worse option than not making it.

These normal tournaments are played every month, it's not a big deal to lose some of them. It wasn't even a final so it would have been a long way to win anyway. You still lost the rematch; you didn't lose the tournament without losing a game.

Also it's stupid when players don't make fair rounds in tournaments just because it's a tournament. Complaining about a rematch on forums is even worse.

 

Always play in advantage in the tournaments thanks to the moderators
 

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I think 'Alicia shouldn't give any preference for "darlings". If real his point is right then there should be a rule "no exceptions for lags / bugs". There should be a rule for fair play as well cuz why do you guys think fair play on a higher position in a tournament is more important than in the first tounds. I don't get that. Every round on a tournament is important. 'Alicia is a new moderator so she can make mistakes as well but if it is written as a tournament rule then it's a big mistake.

 

 

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Pjush wrote:

Pjush wrote:

To point it out, bugs/lags etc. doesn't matter in the beginning of a tournament as it would ruin for the schedule, but later on, as we are in quarters, semi and final, it can occur. It has always been like that, though maybe you as a new player won't understand that, which is fine though, but now you know.

 

Is this a new rule? Are you kidding me?

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Some may not agree but Mashisha and Cocaine' should have faired after the bug occurred because it affected both teams and placed team Duo at a disadvantage straight away. But it happened, and that's that. What I do not agree with at all is then doing a re-match just based on this. One of Pjush's arguments is "we couldn't focus because basically...we were spamming the room and complaining". That is your fault. You should have treated this as a real game and focused instead of making this situation escalate into so much more. Who knows, maybe if you had focused you would have still won. As a result of this, it is an undeserved final. I understand 'Alicia was under pressure from players such as Pjush and Hard drop, but still a poor decision made. Hopefully you can learn from this poor decision in the future.

In the past, we've had similar siuations like this. We've even had a case where one of the teams couldn't turn up to the final because their opponents deliberately changed the final's timing and did not inform them. Thus subsequently 'winning' it. A re-match was not even made in this instance. I understand the frustrations but just like the mistakes that have been made in the past, we will just have to accept the outcomes of this tournament. Team Duo won. Undeservedly, yet that still stands.

And Anna, you are not fame. Please. Take a leaf from Killuminatiofficial's book.

Peace

Luna2 close your legs (:

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'Alicia gave the darlings a chance.

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haha therealmadridcf i had to laugh about 

"These normal tournaments are played every month, it's not a big deal to lose some of them."

XD says the biggest rager when he loses a tourney I-m so happy

and btw there have been rematches even after tourney was done

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About which tournament you talking Anna?

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Playing rematch is against the rules. It is totally unfair that you make exception for players like Pjush and slovakpro, while for other (random players) you don't (and you never would). 
In finals I lost connection twice, it is so disgusting that you won because of that and you didn't even think about playing rematch. Moment when I came back in game, when I asked for rematch, dear 'Alicia told me this: ''Don't even think about that, it's over man, deal with it.'' and '' Do you want prem or coins, I won't ask again.'' .
And Pjush, who was pretending like they didn't got rematch just 30 minutes before that, started to attack me that someone else is playing on my account, so I don't deserve a rematch. Go back to Lol Pjush we don't want you here.

Talking about fairness, would be best option to replay matchs ''Quaters C, Semi B and Finals'' as it wouldn't be first time that you made it.
Hope you'll make good decision after all, dear moderators.

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For me it's only fair when players make a decision to play 3 games, for instance before the match begins.

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If we played Finals when it was suposed to be played, I would play normal game witout laggs. BUT you made delay of 20 minutes, and it made my team lose.

I lost connection against ''kek'' team too, and I didn't complain about it even if we were losing 6-0 there. BUT this is different, would be totally different game if we played it in 21:00.
 

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How pathetic. You out of everyone shouldn't complain, Tell why me.

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Did you even saw my comments, smartass?

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So the replays I remember, where all caused from things away from the general "lags/bugs".

We got a replay of final december 2016, cause players were teaming at the original final. Then we had at November 2013 a final, where simka couldn't rejoin cause there is a roomlimit of 100spectators+amount of players. When she wanted to relog, another spectator joined and the roomlimit was reached, so she wasn't able to join again -> unexpected case(so many specs), caused a replay. Then we have the case of Bratis/Mangolo/TaNy, where the time of the finals got changed by salietje(old moderator) and they didn't got informed -> got special titles instead of a replay. So basically those were all finals and not quarters. I wasn't tournamentmod, but still I don't remember any case where rounds (except the final) got a replay and even the finals just got a replay for special cases.

Other cases where handled for the whole tournament, e.g. we had it that the servers crashed more or less completly, which caused whole tournaments to be canceled and started again with new sign-up and new schedule.

Also I've never seen anything of this:

Pjush wrote:

To point it out, bugs/lags etc. doesn't matter in the beginning of a tournament as it would ruin for the schedule, but later on, as we are in quarters, semi and final, it can occur. It has always been like that, though maybe you as a new player won't understand that, which is fine though, but now you know.

So yeah, with the informations given here I would clearly say that the rule "The game is played as it is -- No compensation for bugs or lag. No rematches" has to be used.

But at the end real is right with "The organisation is always right", at the end the tournamentmods are in the lead and take the final decision.

And for all the players who like rules so much, you've ever read the forumrules? There is written: Do not do any of the following: - Openly argue with a moderator, if you have a problem, you may make a complaint to them directly and not publicly on the website. So if you have a problem with this decision you can contact the moderator at pm or send a mail to supportatcurvefever.com If you open a topic like this, it usually gets warned and closed.

 

 

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Note: You can't count games as "replay" if players played a tournamentgame before the official start of the round and then a later played game was counted. This case happened indeed several times. 

 

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Tell why me wrote:

Playing rematch is against the rules. It is totally unfair that you make exception for players like Pjush and slovakpro, while for other (random players) you don't (and you never would). 
In finals I lost connection twice, it is so disgusting that you won because of that and you didn't even think about playing rematch. Moment when I came back in game, when I asked for rematch, dear 'Alicia told me this: ''Don't even think about that, it's over man, deal with it.'' and '' Do you want prem or coins, I won't ask again.'' .
And Pjush, who was pretending like they didn't got rematch just 30 minutes before that, started to attack me that someone else is playing on my account, so I don't deserve a rematch. Go back to Lol Pjush we don't want you here.

Talking about fairness, would be best option to replay matchs ''Quaters C, Semi B and Finals'' as it wouldn't be first time that you made it.
Hope you'll make good decision after all, dear moderators.

 

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http://forum.curvefever.com/content/curve-fever-user-rules-and-guidelines

Do not do any of the following:

• Openly argue with a moderator, if you have a problem, you may make a complaint to them directly and not publicly on the website.

First of all, it is necessary that you follow this forum rule. Simply because, as we have seen in the past, discussions like these are never-ending. If you feel like you have been treated with unjust, contact us (the moderators) directly and politely, thank you.

Now that this is out of the way, I want to point out that we are doing our best to keep CF2 tournament going on. We have chosen to organize 2 tournaments each month for the community, yet this is what we get in exchange. Moreover, since you are questioning my integrity in what I’m doing, let me remind you how; I was the one who supported the idea of 2 tournaments (+ the cf3 tournament) a month, while convincing Run. it would be the best for the community. I was the one either making or helping with the schedules for more than 6 months now (also before I was officially a moderator). Overall I’m very dedicated in terms of the organization of tournaments, and I’m being treated with this much disrespect? Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. People are being so ungrateful and harsh. Instead of twisting every word I said, how about you show some valid proof to back it up? I will stand by the fact that it was the fairest decision. Either way, it would’ve been a lose/lose situation. This decision was made from a neutral standpoint, since we have no relation to Pjush or slovakpro. 

"The game is played as it is -- No compensation for bugs or lag. No rematches."

Yes, this rule has existed from the very beginning and couldn't be more clear. However, rematches have been made in the past, even though that rule was standing. Let me remind you of the rule which was added to contradict the above-mentioned, purely because of the reason that there will occur some exceptions, which we as moderators will be witnessing and judging: "The organisation is always right." In this case, it was an obvious server bug which I witnessed firsthand. Therefore, it is up to me to take action based on what I’ve seen, and discuss it with fellow moderators if it’s the right decision. Besides, Mashisha & Cocaine’ had chosen not to listen to me even though I’m one of the people who are in charge of the tournament. So to ask for a rematch while ignoring the obvious rule that the organization is always right, seems absurd. To expect changing a whole tournament for your own personal gain, even though you were in the wrong for not listening to me, is incongruous and senseless. 

On the other hand, this topic seems to be specifically pointed at me. Let me remind you that all tournament organization is a teamwork between me and Run. He was equally agreeing to this decision. However, there is one mistake from my end of the bargain, which I could’ve handled differently. I should have kicked them all instantly, to make new room, since it was an obvious server bug. I have used this incident as experience, which every mod will gain sooner or later anyways. So for simply not acting more quick on this decision, I’m sorry.

I’ve learnt from my mistakes, but you should also realize yours and be more grateful for the amount of work we’re putting into these tournaments. By complaining and blaming us for everything, it won’t really boost our motivation to make 2 tournaments a month voluntarily. Decision has been made and it won't be changed. We are sorry if you feel like you’ve been treated with unjust, but I hope this will put your mindset on another perspective. I can guarantee you we are doing our best with the tournaments to make you all happy, so it’s very important that you’ll move on. Don’t worry, there are many other tournaments coming up, so you can show your potential. Rules will definitely be cleared up for the next tournaments, and they will be more precise so this kind of incident won’t occur again.

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