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No premium games for non premium users and buffering the premium account

Hello community,

since a new update released 1 day ago non premium users cant create premium games anymore.
Geert wrote:
"As a non premium user, you can't create premium games anymore. This is done, as the feature was not clear to the non premium users (why did I loose coins!), and because we wanted to buff the premium account."
This is the total wrong way in my opinion, you have to consider the consequences. Team games are also premium games. So as a non premium user you cant create them. You ALWAYS need premium users. Especially for clanwars you can't ensure that e.g. in a 2vs2 match (most played at clanwars) a premium user will be available. This fact will be a problem in certain tournament matches and furthermore that could be the death of many clans.
You don't buff the premium account, you just discriminate the normal users in my opinion. And by the way writing "play a teamgame for just 1.000.000 credits" is just ridiculous. The old system paying 100 credits for creating a premium game was ok.

I agree there should be a buff of the premium accounts, but not like this. Give them a coins multiplier (e.g. 2-3 coins per played minute), as you announced there will be others colors coming, so why not? Or just halve the prices for icons and colors for them. But dont discriminate normal players this way. Everything should be possible for a normal user and premium users should have advantages, but this is not given here.

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Yes, give us more coins and let nonpremiums to make rooms!

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I_Will_Destroy_You on 16 October, 2014 - 13:27
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Gordon got it right. I think around 70% of the clans don't have a premium player. The numbers of clanwars go down more and more and there are now a lot of inactive clans. But with this new rule you will give the clanwebsite the final shot. Í as premium user don't think that this is needed to feel special. There are a lot other things which are realy nice. For example the unlimited friendlist, the possibility to create rooms for free or the search function for all rooms and no annoying adds.

I think the system was good like it was and that this change wasn't needed.

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GOOD!

I can't agree more. The clan MIMA(clan with most games) has only 4 premium players and not always is somebody of them online. There is a nice feature now which give us the posibility to say, that we can't create the room. But now, if we would request a clanwar like this, there wouldn't be so much answers, because a lot of people aren't premium. There is only 1vs1 unranked left, to play without premium player and that isn't the sence of clanwebsite. As clan we have to play games together with 2-4 persons.

And ingame it is also anoing. Before this we often had the chance to train a special powerup as 1vs0 and then we got coins back if we left the room. But now we can't do it anymore. And if a premium friend is still in game i have to wait now till he/she is ready, to play with him/her. Before i could easy create the team room and then wait there.

So i suggest the same as Gordon. Delete the new update, and give us the 100coin- premium room back.

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Calmy on 16 October, 2014 - 15:55
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I'm just able to agree - especially at the points with clan wars - it can't be the philosophie of curve fever that you need to Pay if you want to take part in Curve Fever Clans

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Couldnt Agree More! BUMP

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BUMP. true

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i dont want my clan to fall, im with you guys. i am non-premium because i dont think premium is worth it.

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TheGordon wrote:

Hello community,

since a new update released 1 day ago non premium users cant create premium games anymore.
Geert wrote:
"As a non premium user, you can't create premium games anymore. This is done, as the feature was not clear to the non premium users (why did I loose coins!), and because we wanted to buff the premium account."
This is the total wrong way in my opinion, you have to consider the consequences. Team games are also premium games. So as a non premium user you cant create them. You ALWAYS need premium users. Especially for clanwars you can't ensure that e.g. in a 2vs2 match (most played at clanwars) a premium user will be available. This fact will be a problem in certain tournament matches and furthermore that could be the death of many clans.
You don't buff the premium account, you just discriminate the normal users in my opinion. And by the way writing "play a teamgame for just 1.000.000 credits" is just ridiculous. The old system paying 100 credits for creating a premium game was ok.

I agree there should be a buff of the premium accounts, but not like this. Give them a coins multiplier (e.g. 2-3 coins per played minute), as you announced there will be others colors coming, so why not? Or just halve the prices for icons and colors for them. But dont discriminate normal players this way. Everything should be possible for a normal user and premium users should have advantages, but this is not given here.

Greetings

TheGordon

Leader of DNVD

Hi Gordon,

Thank you for your concerns about Curve Fever and the removal of hosting premium games with coins. Let me try to explain in more detail why we did it.

1) I lost 100 coins, why! Many people who are not so known with CF, are surprised, when all of a sudden they have hosted a premium game. So the current implementation was not clear.

2) What is premium for? Non premiums where able to host premium games for 100 coins, play premium games for 20 coins, or even play them for free when they added a premium account in the room as a friend. How can premium users show a difference with non premium users? Almost nothing. That is why we think that removing this feature will make premium users stand out more.

3) Normal users already have great game with a great replay value. They have a free 2 play game without any pay to win in it. You can easily share your cool items with your friends. And sometimes you can even make use of everything the game has to offer. 

 

Your suggestions: 

Coins multiplier: This wouldn't work, as they defacto already have acredit multiplier (they don't lose coins for playing premium games).

Halving prices for icons and colors: Same reason as the coins multiplier.

 

I hope I was able to make our standpoint clear.

Best regards,

Geert


 

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Geert wrote:

1) I lost 100 coins, why! Many people who are not so known with CF, are surprised, when all of a sudden they have hosted a premium game. So the current implementation was not clear.

Best regards,

Geert

- if they can't look at the price they deserve to lose 100 coins...

Me, as the clan leader of the most playing clan ingame, MIMA, completely supports Gordon opinion concerning to not be able to create premium games. This makes clans and clanwars impossible for non-premium users. MIMA grew with only non-premium users (like I was) and it would be horrible to make the clan community so small, as in my opinion there are already too few really active clans now.

Everything should have been kept as it was, because the system was good: premium users get some special features, but non-premiums aren't sidelined.

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1) if it is a soo big problem, then there can be a easy add. i already suggested a host alert and maybe you could add to this a little sentence(so like "countdown starts in 10 seconds) like "You have to pay 100 coins for hosting a premium room." or something like this. if then somebody still "cry" or feels mad then he/she know it for next time and i don't see a big problem in this.

2) there are soo much premium features which makes us better and the room setting isn't that important. and if you look at the players here, you see that the topic is of a premium player and till now there didn't posted any premium player a negative answer. everybody supported the opinion.

3)In your standpoint it shows that you should think about it a little bit more. if we have for example 200 players online but nobody is premium, then nobody has the chance to play team games. There should always be a way to play every type of game and this shouldn't be for premiums only. So i hope you will discuss it again and maybe rethink this.

 

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First of all many thanks for all your answers, especially to Geert. I got your standpoint but I'm not convinced of your arguments.

Argument 1) I lost 100 coins, why!: Well, the button showed clearly that it will cost 100 coins, so it wasn't such a big problem for non premiums to guess what will happen. But that's not such an important point, so let's not talk about it anymore.

Argument 2) What is premium for? and 3) Normal users already have great game with a great replay value: That are the interesting points we got to talk about. The problem is the following. Non premiums are forced to play with premium users. There is no possibility for them to play team games just with their friends if they are not premium. I already tried to show you the negative effects that will arise (not sure but quiet a big chance to happen) for clanwars and clans. Another interesting point that was mentioned is the now missing possibility for non premium players to train or just to warm up. I see your points you made but I'm still thinking that discrimination of non premium players is the wrong way. There are some other nice consequences considered like the waiting effect by DerLangweiler.

Your answer to my suggestions: You are right, premium users don't have to pay for premium games. But that leads us to the point that friends of premium users also pay nothing. So where's now the difference between them? (except the possibility of having more than 100 friends). As you see the premiums users (well I can't talk for everybody of them, that would be presumptuous, but as I see the feedback most are with me)  don't want to "stand out more", at least not in this way. There are some other nice consequences considered like the waiting effect by DerLangweiler.

So I would like that you think one more time about all the arguments and the coins multiplier or going back to the old system which was quiet fine.

Respectfully

The Gordon

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and you should have a talk with jezevec, how he see it out of position of clanpage. i'm sure he don't see this update positve. maybe he can change your opinon with some downfalling stats of clanpage

 

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Hey NOWODNY2, For the clans page it's quite disappointing...
I really hope we can figure out something to make everyone happy.

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You guys should know how non-premium users are mistreated within the game, if you're under 1000, nobody would want to play with you. And some users just can't buy stuff because they have no credit card, so they should still be able to enjoy the game just as much as a premium user.

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Nice deterioration in the game, Geert. Attempt to earn more money in that way will only lead you to a reduction in earnings. You want more money? Then act for the good of the people, not of yourself. Best way to earn money is making people happy.
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Could it at least be something attainable, instead of such a drastic price increase from 100 to one million?!  Or however many zeros that is.  Like 300 or 500 would still be nearly prohibitively expensive, but could still ocassionally do it every once in a while.

 

Otherwise  install a universal block chat feature so we aren't paying to be subjected to the vitriol, then I for one would go premium.

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gordon is right

so when you arent premium you can't create the room if you have a cw

maybe next update back bcz this isnt good

now you need to play in ffa so you need to play always 1vs1

not the best curve-idea guys

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not only the clanwars. i m looking forward to the next clantournament :DDD then we will see that in first round not just 50% of the clans aren't there, no! We will see too that the half of the left matches can'T be created because premium player is missing. So as result there will be at second round only 1/8(after 1, round 1/2*1/2 not online*1/2 can't be created) of the players who wanted to play

so let's wait for next tournament and then have a big box popcorn and enjoy the fight :D

 

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Geert wrote:

TheGordon wrote:

Hello community,

since a new update released 1 day ago non premium users cant create premium games anymore.
Geert wrote:
"As a non premium user, you can't create premium games anymore. This is done, as the feature was not clear to the non premium users (why did I loose coins!), and because we wanted to buff the premium account."
This is the total wrong way in my opinion, you have to consider the consequences. Team games are also premium games. So as a non premium user you cant create them. You ALWAYS need premium users. Especially for clanwars you can't ensure that e.g. in a 2vs2 match (most played at clanwars) a premium user will be available. This fact will be a problem in certain tournament matches and furthermore that could be the death of many clans.
You don't buff the premium account, you just discriminate the normal users in my opinion. And by the way writing "play a teamgame for just 1.000.000 credits" is just ridiculous. The old system paying 100 credits for creating a premium game was ok.

I agree there should be a buff of the premium accounts, but not like this. Give them a coins multiplier (e.g. 2-3 coins per played minute), as you announced there will be others colors coming, so why not? Or just halve the prices for icons and colors for them. But dont discriminate normal players this way. Everything should be possible for a normal user and premium users should have advantages, but this is not given here.

Greetings

TheGordon

Leader of DNVD

Hi Gordon,

Thank you for your concerns about Curve Fever and the removal of hosting premium games with coins. Let me try to explain in more detail why we did it.

1) I lost 100 coins, why! Many people who are not so known with CF, are surprised, when all of a sudden they have hosted a premium game. So the current implementation was not clear.

2) What is premium for? Non premiums where able to host premium games for 100 coins, play premium games for 20 coins, or even play them for free when they added a premium account in the room as a friend. How can premium users show a difference with non premium users? Almost nothing. That is why we think that removing this feature will make premium users stand out more.

3) Normal users already have great game with a great replay value. They have a free 2 play game without any pay to win in it. You can easily share your cool items with your friends. And sometimes you can even make use of everything the game has to offer. 

 

Your suggestions: 

Coins multiplier: This wouldn't work, as they defacto already have acredit multiplier (they don't lose coins for playing premium games).

Halving prices for icons and colors: Same reason as the coins multiplier.

 

I hope I was able to make our standpoint clear.

Best regards,

Geert

1. HA HA HA is there no any other way to make this more visible or to make some alert message to non premium when they create premium game? Please dont make it so funny this is stupid argumment. So we will now remove this option for non premiums because of some kids they cant read?

2.Where is the difference between premium and non premium?? Maybe because i need to wait up to 30sec to join the game and allways need to watch that rediciolus advertising that you have been paying for (every 10 player klick 1 daily that advertising)!. Maybe because we cant play tournaments and some "olympics"! Maybe the difference is also there that i need to pay 100 coins to create premiun  and for that 100 coins i need to play all day here  to get them and watch that advertisinig more than 5 times a day! Maybe becuase if i was kicked from the game to join it again i will loose 2 -3rounds and make it impossible to win the game anymore. There was a option to make it cost like 200 coins to create a premium game which is also a lot as 100!

3. Maybe you should watch to fix that tons of active bugs. And what for do i need now that coins? To buy some stupid items or colors that nobody really needs ?

There is no other reasen as that you want make more money and force people to buy premium so please next time tell this as a first reason.

4. And common man give us a option do disable that horrible countdown sound. this is so  horrible nad annoying. Horrible, loud, annoying,making nervous, bad voice sounds. So just put a option to switch between that sounds and normal countdows sound like before.

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Geert please don't try to find an excuse for this . You did this , just cause you are losing money , and you want to earn more money . You are just a thief .. That's pathetic from you . 
And I don't understand why some players are still buying premium , they give money to a thief gg

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Oh no, he wants to earn money.. shame on him.. such a big thief..... ;-)

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Well kinda that fact that he is doing it the wrong way.

I did buy premium just so I can avoid this stupid implementation, but it is just ridiculous that this is how he does it. There are so many better ways to buff the premium without ruining the game for those who don't pay, however you just take the quick way around it :). It is your job to make the game better, not ruin it.