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Discussion topic for Novus/slovakpro cases

Here you may discuss the recent cheater cases involving users Novus Ordo Seclorum and slovakpro. I feel the community should be able to discuss such a high profile case and not be muted.

The discussion must be civilised and professional. Anyone namecalling, being abusive or generally inappropriate will not be allowed.

 

The case: http://curvefever.com/content/novus-ordo-seclorum-slovakpro-and-others

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this case and what nitrogen said - "what is the benefit of being hing ranked?" and recent new system which few players use - quick game, give me an idea(for cf3 would be nice). make next quick play options (ffa 8 with basic, special, none) and team (4on4 with basic, special and none). Make 4 seasons (3 months each e.g). when seasons ends top8 will have rewards, which could be premium,coins, skins, goodies,etc. You will motivated being high ranked in everymode, You dont who will be your mates/enemies - not possible cheating(what old and slovak did).

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In CF3 custom games will no longer be ranked, only quickplay. So boosting will be a lot less common (as you cannot pick your opponent)

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zeroZshadow on 4 January, 2016 - 13:30

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What a nonsense, starry is not snakey and pauli7 is no slovakpro.

koso did not do anything wrong. 

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and if pauli7 is slovakpro, then he did it on purpose to naile old.
Old did not know about this

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Nice try, old.

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yvetje wrote:

and if pauli7 is slovakpro, then he did it on purpose to naile old.
Old did not know about this

What a joke. He did not know about this aha. What about snakey? He boosted 2 times with snakey already. All of those "high ranked" guys are pathetic. Especially when it comes to nayenda (Script), who was criticizing the way old got his "record" and then helped slovak to get his. Glad they got punished.

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yvetje wrote:

What a nonsense, starry is not snakey and pauli7 is no slovakpro.

koso did not do anything wrong. 

They checked their IPs, are you that blind that you can't see that your iconic oldghz is nothing but a booster?

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Okay, thanks to the developers, which checked the IPs of Starry and Pauli7, we know now Starry was snakeysa and Pauli7 was slovakpro. Probably this is not all of it since others deranked on purpose for him etc., but we don't need to investigate further. I knew old was using fake accounts again and of course they tried to say that's a lie. That was a very poor try of him & friends/fanboys to cover it up and saying we are haters, even tho they were clearly violating the rules. And very sweet try of this guy called Camistri to defend old with neverending posts on this forum to say old didn't use any second accounts and Starry has 100% no other accounts. How do you feel to see that the guy you defended is just another cheater and all of your posts were completely untrue? I wonder if old will ever play without cheating because he did it now for the 3rd time or something. Remember, guys. Any high ranking or record is done by these tricks as I explained in the other topic already. This was always the case and always will be.

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In the room I was few minutes ago, Muneco aka Slovak admitted that Old didn't know that slovak was pauli7 and if he had played with his main account he (old) wouldn't have let him play with him because both were too high. Nitroglyn and other players were witnesses of this. Now it was obvious Starry was Snakeysa, just for the way he plays, but did snakey change of accounts during the process that Novus got his rank? I just check Snakeysa (1-15) accounts and all those accounts are 1200 or lower and 0 matchlinks there is only one with 2001 of rank and the last matchlink was 12 days ago. So the whole time that Snakey played with Novus he was using exactly the same account. Probably he quit playing with his old accounts?. I don't get how this is considered boosting but if Snakey would have deleted only one account (the higher) it wouldn't have been boosting. I understand that the first time when Old were banned it was considered boosting because snakey, slovak, avaritus changed multiple times accounts.

The case of slovak well it is the same case of Old when he was banned the first time, same people with lower accounts, changing multiple times, to boost him.

Put an upper limit of rank 2.2k is a reasonable rank that one player can get without the need of boosting, since I've seen all are agree that there are not enought people with high rank and high skills to play against.

At the end someone that is 1800- 2000 need to leave the game or just make another account basically because it is not good seen a player with that rank in a 1500 room because it is considered boosting.

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Huh? Snakey has a 2k account which he stopped using exactly at the time old started to rank up (http://curvefever.com/users/snakeysa). You can even see how he played with old 12 days ago together and they lost much ranking. Snakey started then to play on an account with 1200 ranking and said he is not snakey but an old player. Starry/snakeysa also went without old in games and deranked (went afk etc.) to stay at 1500-1600. It's a clear case of using a lower account to cheat. If I stop playing on my highest account for a week then it's okay to play with 700 account to make someone high ranked only because I use all the time the same 700 account? I don't get what you mean.

Furthermore, Video Games has another account called Burisu (http://curvefever.com/users/burisu) which is 1900. But he didn't use this account, no, he played on Video Games with 1500-1600 rank to help to boost obviously. It's funny actually to see in the history of Burisu that he played against old with this 1900 account (and lost always) and played with old on the account Video Games (1500-1600 ranked at that time). Clear case.

 

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Good Job Mod to find this out!

I don't get why people say it's the problem in the ranking system etc. The rank works fine.. they played low accs and got points where is the problem in the ranking system? The problem are the people who abuse the ranking system. How should the ranking system know "OHH THIS IS SNAKEY LETS GIVE  +2 ONLY". Or "OHOH 3K SOON LETS GIVE JUST 3+" The ranks were low and opponent team had 1900-1700 whatever rank. So whatever blame the people and not the ranking system.^^^^

 

 

*crazy*

 

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I have a question: will be considered boosting if today Old and Snakey make new accounts (regular accounts are banned) and play together and get 3k again? or any of the involved in both cases.

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@Laura19 you clearly don't get what the problem is. Snakey plays as a 2k but kept playing with a lower account, which he maintened at 1500-1600 in order for old to get more points when they won games against average players ; slovakpro can say whatever he want, he boosted old anyway. Can we really believe a cheater when he says that the person he boosted didn't know about him (Pauli) being slovak? That's just a huge joke to me. And seeing that people keep falling for those lies after the mod team (who did a great job) proved that all those guys were cheaters and liars, just make me want to laugh really hard. Which I'm doing right now. I miss the time when people were honest, and the rooms filled with 8 players with 2k+.

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Laura19 wrote:

I have a question: will be considered boosting if today Old and Snakey make new accounts (regular accounts are banned) and play together and get 3k again? or any of the involved in both cases.

If they're helping someone to get a higher rank, yes, it would be considered as boosting. Otherwise, I cannot see the problem.

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Wow I missed alot while celebrating xmas O.o Anyway, this explains why i lost endless rank vs novus and starry sky 11 days ago as u can see in my game history, i would like it back pls

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I still wonder why they get +6/7/8/9 when they play vs 1200-1500 players and have 1500/1300 players in their teams? When I was 1800 i was getting +4 for playing vs 1200 players when i had 1200 in my team,just an example...........

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@Mopseli, they can't realistically rollback the server to where it was 12days ago. It would cause riots. Building in flames and kitten murders.

Reminder for people who didn't check "deliberation" thread: http://curvefever.com/content/novus-ordo-seclorum-slovakpro-and-others

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pls change slovakpros punishment to globally banned and mention that u also punished him on his sec acc muneco. I think everybdy should see the real punishment

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will create another account and do it again and if on and this never end, is a lifeless child

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Woaw. There are a lot of ideas being shared but I don't see what's wrong with a player trying to do something special like set a new record. We need to know that we will not be limited to our own boundaries. Many players believe having a 3k rank is "impossible". However, I believe oldghz and slovakpro demonstrated this week that this is not impossible. As players, we can choose who we want to play with. Maybe both parties chose low-ranked players to "boost" but we cannot be sure of their intentions.

There is nothing wrong with competiton. I think it is a wonderful thing oldghz and slovakpro achieved and well done. Many more of us should be getting 3k instead of complaining :)

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Also many players are complaining that slovakpro used low-ranked players to get 3k. The thing is right he can play with low-ranked players just as long as the opposing team have low-ranked players which essentially makes the teams fair. If oldghz or the other players knew slovakpro was playing against very high-ranked players but on other accounts he should have stopped the game or at least made it fair. 

When I had -300 as rank the only way I got to 0 was by having at least two low-ranked players on my team (basically me and someone else e.g: jess) and two high-ranked players. So every game I would get 30-40 points. Important thing is that I was not boosting and the other team did not complain. The ranking system we have in use at the moment makes it very easy for players to abuse it and I must say it has worked to my advantage. It just seems to me there are two teams: teamoldghz and teamslovakpro. And it's almost like one team does not want the opposing player to get 3k rank and now they're all arguing between themselves. They both got 3k rank now move on.

Some players have already been banned. I hope this is something we can look back at and just realise how pathetic we were.

 

Slovakpro is just the puppet of script and haru. They carried his ass on some fake low accounts and he wants rank so badly he would do anything for it. Old is a good player and slovakpro needs to get carried, thats the difference.

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Blomster wrote:

Woaw. There are a lot of ideas being shared but I don't see what's wrong with a player trying to do something special like set a new record. We need to know that we will not be limited to our own boundaries. Many players believe having a 3k rank is "impossible". However, I believe oldghz and slovakpro demonstrated this week that this is not impossible. As players, we can choose who we want to play with. Maybe both parties chose low-ranked players to "boost" but we cannot be sure of their intentions.

There is nothing wrong with competiton. I think it is a wonderful thing oldghz and slovakpro achieved and well done. Many more of us should be getting 3k instead of complaining :)

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bans 4 lyfe for all cheaters no mercy lol they must pay or we all lose.  It's super important lol.

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Blomster wrote:

Woaw. There are a lot of ideas being shared but I don't see what's wrong with a player trying to do something special like set a new record. We need to know that we will not be limited to our own boundaries. Many players believe having a 3k rank is "impossible". However, I believe oldghz and slovakpro demonstrated this week that this is not impossible. As players, we can choose who we want to play with. Maybe both parties chose low-ranked players to "boost" but we cannot be sure of their intentions.

There is nothing wrong with competiton. I think it is a wonderful thing oldghz and slovakpro achieved and well done. Many more of us should be getting 3k instead of complaining :)

This is a big muddy pile of half-truth. Cannot be sure of their intentions? He played with two players in his team, who have around 2k-2,2k level gameplay but played on 1200-1500 accounts. Snakey did decrease his Starry account when it got too high, to keep boosting his friend and slovak could have been playing with his main account. That isn't "reaching  a record" or even "going over their boundaries", that's basically called cheating. As far as I'm concerned, no one ever reached 3k. And it's not competition when you have people playing on accounts which are a lot lower than their actual mains in the opposite team.

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Blomster wrote:

Also many players are complaining that slovakpro used low-ranked players to get 3k. The thing is right he can play with low-ranked players just as long as the opposing team have low-ranked players which essentially makes the teams fair. If oldghz or the other players knew slovakpro was playing against very high-ranked players but on other accounts he should have stopped the game or at least made it fair. 

When I had -300 as rank the only way I got to 0 was by having at least two low-ranked players on my team (basically me and someone else e.g: jess) and two high-ranked players. So every game I would get 30-40 points. Important thing is that I was not boosting and the other team did not complain. The ranking system we have in use at the moment makes it very easy for players to abuse it and I must say it has worked to my advantage. It just seems to me there are two teams: teamoldghz and teamslovakpro. And it's almost like one team does not want the opposing player to get 3k rank and now they're all arguing between themselves. They both got 3k rank now move on.

Some players have already been banned. I hope this is something we can look back at and just realise how pathetic we were. Teamoldghz and teamslovakpro? Not really. Just a bunch of cheaters. The rank system isn't the problem. The problem is the way it's used by people, who should just stop trying so hard to get high rankings and focus on their skills. Because neither old or slovak are worth 3k. Not even 2,4 if you ask me.

 

You clearly don't know what you're talking about my dear. He played with people who have pretty high main accounts, but were on 1200's accounts. How is that fair?

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the last sentence is pretty interesting imo...

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This was already a community spectacle so it was decided against. It was definitely considered but this action could potentially backfire on the moderators and the community, especially considering that slovakpro done the same thing in protest (which was pointless really lol). 

The message seems to have gotten through and the behaviour has stopped. As long as it doesn't resume then I'll be satisfied with the decisions made by the cheater moderators.

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Pls ill be 4k tomorrow just 4 u alan

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Looks like someone started again curvefever.com/users/tell-why-me

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This must be a joke, he is playing vs -1000 users to gain rank fast

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Hes playing against 1300s with 600s in his team XDDDD