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CF2 PLEASE

Hi,

Even though CF3 was a big failure and never should be made, we all know CF2 is pretty dead (you can see that if you look at the players who wins the tournaments lately [ yes, I am saying they are not that pro and the real pro's don't even want to compete anymore, that is how dead CF2 is ... ] ), since there are no updates, even though CF2 still has much more players than CF3 and is still much better than CF3. 

CF3 is more for children of the age 8 till 12, it also has this childish lay-out, so I am not surprised. I believe it has been made for little kids? It has to be. And that is really no offence, but look at the lay-out, come on. We know CF2 has much mad kids of 13, 14 too, but we, as players with more than 20 games played, know that we better can ignore them.

 It WAS a fun game, I bought premium many times, untill CF3 has been made and every kid has the chance to make 25 accounts to flame at old rivals. You moderators really should get a IP-ban function or something, because a kid like r0ck or BAWER has many accounts, we as players all know it, except you, the moderators??? How? Just finally IP-ban those poisonous noobs; it will make players buy premium again, and MAYBE update that fucking game finally with another color or feature. Everybody wants it, nobody does anything. It's a shame. You can get MONEY.

And if you need any help, many players keep a blacklist now. I think I got 100+ players in my blacklist, who are legit poison to the game which every normal player would agree on (with normal I mean a little adult, not some kid who just hit puberty; and probably 25% are second or third accounts, so that IP-ban would solve much problems...). In fact, I know someone who makes an account every time he loses, he keeps trying to keep that 100% win; please just NOT let this happen, for fuck sakes. I think you moderators underestimate the impact of CF2. You know the players who are playing for years will stop the game because of this reason; the brainless hate and spam of childs who has nothing to do but go in spectator and spam the fuck out of a game and ruin everything really. It is not that hard to do something about that, still, there are the same noobs coming. I don't know if you moderators think CF2 is past, well, it is not. But we all are sceptic, that is for sure, because nothing is happening. Everybody hates Geert, is a common phrase nowadays. So think about that. The game we love, the maker we hate. It could be different, you know. It could be so much better.

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Man I get your frustration, but trust me when I'm saying that this thread was a waste of time. This exact topic has been discussed countless times on the forums, and the conclusion was basically that Geert & the devs are moving on to bigger things --> CF4, since CF3 wasn't a succes. They won't work any further on CF2, since it isnt enough business for them, in other words a waste of time. Yes, CF2 needs alot of improvements etc, but in all honesty the moderators aren't able to come up with all these improvements. I'm certain that the active moderators, or moderator Destin., isn't able as a forum moderator to go on a witch hunt on people who make the game less pleasant for others, doesn't even have the ability to ban. However, I really think you should aim your frustrations elsewhere, the moderators are just doing their job + making this game more alive. The lack of improvements come 100% from the devs side, don't point your fingers on the ones who actually cares enough for this game to voluntarily spend time and energy to make tournaments, answer forum topic etc etc. 

 

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Guys! I'm sorry! I was pretty drunk and just finished another game with another spammer and ruining everything. I don't even know what moderators do. I was frustrated. Peace to moderators! But my hate is of course to the mad kids, not the moderators.

I understand your point. I was just really getting annoyed and the beers made it worse than it actually is. My bad!

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HeyHey,

Even if you were drunk, you wanted to communicate some personal points of view. We sometimes communicate more after drinking some beers around :D
I agree with some points, I disagree on others. I want to share my thoughts too, but I didn't drink any beers yet so it will be harder.

CF3 concern
CF3 didn't work as expected (maybe it's the fault of layout, concept, ranking... there are many possible causes). Is it failure ? >No. Every big campany know failure at start. Do no think big group like Google, Facebook... didn't know failure at start. They learned from their failure and errors. I'm not saying Curve Fever will be like Google in some years, but I just try to make the people understand they shouldn't see a fail like a downward spiral. We learn more from accepting and learning the errors. Maybe CF will know more fails before knowning a big success, we can't tell yet. In my opinion, I believe in the future of Curve Fever, that's why I try to help them as much as I can. Why do I believe in it ? Because I see their efforts, internally, and the technologies they currently use for CF4 seem to be really better than CF2 & CF3, so I think there will be many less laggs and it will be more smooth.

Second accounts concern
CF wanted to make the way to create accounts eazy, for reaching a large community. When it's too hard to make a new account, some people give up and prefer playing something else. Clearly, the players in CF abuse this system. Making a global ban would be a very bad idea. Actually, many people share the accounts to friends or other people (sometimes random people), and besides, it has many negative consequences : we receive many mails in our support about people who lost their accounts password + mail or to recover deleted accounts.  If we do a global ip ban, all the people connected to the account can be banned. It is not the solution. This matter is discussed internall by the office team, they will get some advices from other game campanies to find a solution to this.

People who leave CF
Yes, it is a bit inactive in last days. The cause you have underline is one of multiples causes that could make the players leave. I'm not surprised some people leave, but the main reasons is the following : 

1) people want goals
2) people getting bored (because no update, no new stuff)

1) Why do the community need goals ?
It's like in real life, everybody has at least one goal in life. This goal gives motivation. This motivation makes someone spending efforts/time to reach the goal and get involved in the tasks needed to reach the goal. Many high players have reached the Champion title. Unfortunately there is no special reward when you win several times a tour. Some other try to get the highest rank ever, but unfortunately, it's not even possible because there are too few people who play the game. In CF3 they instored different grades, till the grand master. That's good, maybe the players need something else, this point will be important for CF4!

2) Why do people get bored ?
It's hard to know. From my perspective, it's indeed because people have no goal, but also because there is no update, no new stuff. As you all know, they work hard on making CF4 great! The developers will not provide any update for CF2/CF3. If they start to do update, CF4 will be released in the next generation and anyway it's a loss of time because CF2/CF3 are made on technologies that will be outdated in some years. So they MUST fully focus on CF4.

What do we do now ?
We have to be patient and encourage the office team. They have a goal : making CF4. They have a motivation. We need to hang together, raise up the developers motivation very high so they develop CF4 even more fast and so we can have new goals too :p

Happy reading,
Destin.
 

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Some of you really need to study the definition of "gratitude".

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Destin. wrote:

People who leave CF
Yes, it is a bit inactive in last days. The cause you have underline is one of multiples causes that could make the players leave. I'm not surprised some people leave, but the main reasons is the following : 

1) people want goals
2) people getting bored (because no update, no new stuff)

1) Why do the community need goals ?
It's like in real life, everybody has at least one goal in life. This goal gives motivation. This motivation makes someone spending efforts/time to reach the goal and get involved in the tasks needed to reach the goal. Many high players have reached the Champion title. Unfortunately there is no special reward when you win several times a tour. Some other try to get the highest rank ever, but unfortunately, it's not even possible because there are too few people who play the game. In CF3 they instored different grades, till the grand master. That's good, maybe the players need something else, this point will be important for CF4!

2) Why do people get bored ?
It's hard to know. From my perspective, it's indeed because people have no goal, but also because there is no update, no new stuff. As you all know, they work hard on making CF4 great! The developers will not provide any update for CF2/CF3. If they start to do update, CF4 will be released in the next generation and anyway it's a loss of time because CF2/CF3 are made on technologies that will be outdated in some years. So they MUST fully focus on CF4.

This game has countless serious issues which will never be fixed.

The community that is left is extremely toxic. There exist many players in this game which have only one single task: join rooms and insult or annoy players in the spectator role. One problem is that the moderators gave this game up for good a long time ago. This game has a huge problem with enforcing rules. Nobody can stop toxic people or punish them. They literally sit in games, insult players and don't even have to expect any chat restriction or ban. Even when mods were present in the game they rarely ever put chat restriction on players. This toxic environment makes people stop playing and leaving rooms. Players can openly fight each other on a personal level, which is unthinkable in most mainstream games because you will get smited by a banhammer. 

Like Destin already said, there is no goal in this game. Nothing to achieve, nothing to win. Most good players are already champions and the highest ranks are unreachable since Geert completely ruined the ranking system - causing huge overall rank decrease. Motiviation is on an all time low. Normal players can't ever reach the champion title since every tournament will be won by a pro player. Tournaments are just a huge circle jerk. Obviously players get bored. They have to play against the same players every day. Players that they already faced thousand times before. In addition to that there are no games changes, no updates. Nothing.

Another big problem is that players don't get seperated in this game. In most big games there exist many different "skill groups". Good players play versus good players, bad players play versus bad players. This is NOT the case in this game. In CF2 normal players have to play versus the best players. No player really stands a chance versus pro players since these guys have played thousand over thousand of games, making them almost unbeatable for anyone who has no such skill. This causes normal players to lose their spirit and making them lose any motivation they ever had. Nobody enjoys to get completely outclassed or have the feeling that they never stood a chance. This is not how a game should work. You are supposed to have fun. When I started playing there were many normal players and I had the chance to get better by playing against people on my level. Nowadays you either have to play versus complete noobs or you get completely smashed by players which play this game for many years.

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@Velin Valentine

I can just partly agree with your comment.

Community: Indeed the community has changed and there are a lot of toxic players. The few left moderators simply can't manage all the toxic behaviour ingame and also the normal players gave it up to fight against this. The tribunal wasn't working for more than a half year and the lightly toxic players started to get even worser behaviour. Also the people don't fear the existing punishments. If they flame with their weekly changing second accounts, they don't care if a moderator or the tribunal bans them. They simply change the account and go on. Even if the mods could ban an ip you can simply switch it and continue. And as last point we have to say that the biggest part of the community is ignoring this behaviour. If I see that there are just 1-2 new cases at tribunal each week, but there are sometimes 4 or even more players at just one game with bad behaviour. Most of the players don't use the tribunal(or report directly to a moderator) if they see bad behaviour(or cheaters!!!) and on this way those people can continue for a long time untill something happens.

Indeed for the best players there is nothing left to achieve anymore. They simply return cause they are addicted, want to meet old friends or simply can't find another game they would prefer to play. Only way of change I see, that sometimes the pros try some weird gamesettings to get a new situation, but thats also rare.

About the ranking and Geerts influence I have to disagree. The last reset(around CurveFever 3 release) was made cause more players voted for the reset than against it. So this one was the players decision. Also the big amount of new accounts destroyed the meaning of stats and ranks and dropped the rankings in general.

The last problem doesn't really appear to me. This game isn't like 700-1200 and 1700-2100 or something like this. You have players at each level of the rankings. I play also at a lot of different rooms. Sometimes I play a FFA game where I'm by far the lowest ranked player at the room, then I play quickplay which usually gives me opponents around my rank and then I also have FFA games with lower ranked clanmates, where I'm the highest player at the room. Same for team. Only thing that appears, is that the old players know eachother and want their friends at their team. This can lead to some very uneven situations and it's a little bit harder to mix the teams  in this case. At the past I had a place at the top 100 teamrankings for months and also had some nice skills, but lost all of them due to inactivity. Now I just play sporadically, sometimes more sometimes less. But when I start playing again on a regular level for some days I'm also able to win some higher games and get better again. Also we can still see that some "noobs" evolve to real pros with in a few months. So I can't really find the problem u described.

 

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It was wanted by the community, yes. The community wanted to get rid of the rank savers sitting on top of the ladders. But what I mean is that someone should've stopped this process when it got obvious that the game was dying. That didn't happen because Geert just abandoned this game for good when it started to die. This system doesn't work properly with such a small player base since it just decreases the top ranks further and further down. There will be a point where everyone will even have a hard time to reach 1900 and so on. This is not what the community wanted afterall. This means rank hardly describes a players strengths anymore because everyone is low. Even the real good players have low ranks which shows that this rank system doesn't fulfill its purpose anymore. It's Geerts game and only he is able to change something. His influence is ever-present. The problem is his abscence.

It appears to me. You have hardly a healthy playerbase anymore. There are still many noobs playing with 700-1400 ranks which don't know much about the game. And then you have the old players which play mostly against each other. In order to get better and climb in the rank ladder, the noobs have only one option if they want to leave to get higher. They can just go to these "pro" rooms since there aren't many high rooms anymore except those. And then they get smashed because they play against teams that have years of experience. This is not how it works in mainstream games. 

 

 

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A point I want to add to this discussion is how more and more players are gaining negative ranks. Some reaching -1000 too. Is it possible to reset the ranks of these players back to 700, please? They can barely join any rooms...except those EPA rooms which are only available late at night Sad

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